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Alex 01:27 We’re delighted to welcome back Tim F a rrell, who’s a geriatrician, associate chief for Age Friendly care at the University of Utah and chair of the American Geriatric Society Ethics Committee. All right, and finally we have Yael Zweig, who is a geriatric nurse practitioner at NYU. Tim, welcome back to GeriPal.
Missouri set a very high bar, explicit written documentation that applies to this specific circumstance, which the Cruzan’s eventually cleared. But legislation can change, clinical practice can change, but I think what we’ll talk about today is how we’re now opening the door to conversations rather than legal rules and documents.
That’s why we do this podcast- to address real world issues in palliative care, geriatrics, and bioethics. How do you clearly articulate the value in what you deliver when we can’t even fully document it in our notes so that we can sit at tables and boardrooms and say, “Look, we’re more than just mobility training.
We discuss: What is considered a hate incident, how is it tracked, what do we know about changes over time The wider impact of Anti-Asian hate on older Asians, who are afraid to go out, leading to anxiety, social isolation, loneliness, decreased exercise, missed appointments and medications. Jessica, welcome back to GeriPal. Geriatrician?
I’d hazard that maybe half the patients I care for at the intersection of geriatrics and palliative care fall in the gray zone. Alex: And a voice that will be very familiar to our listeners, a dynamic and enthusiastic socialworker in palliative care at the San Francisco VA, Anne Kelly. Welcome back, Lynn. Lynn: Thank you.
Alex: Also returning Rebecca Sudore, who is professor of medicine at the UCSF in the division of geriatrics, and is a geriatric and palliative care doctor. I think Bob also noted documenting it. Eric: So Susan, and would you say that a POLST is more of a care planning document rather than an advance care planning document?
We welcome all professions, including but not limited to physicians, chaplains, socialworkers, nurses, nurse practitioners, case managers, administrators, and pharmacists. On the one hand people have said research is the meticulous documentation of the blatantly obvious, which is kind of LaVera’s point here.
Eric and I are joined today on this podcast by Anne Kelly palliative care socialworker to discuss these issues with Liz. Alex: And joining us as she has many times, Anne Kelly is a socialworker at the San Francisco VA. At the end we also pay tribute to Randy Curtis, senior author on this paper and mentor to Liz.
It was started by a socialworker who really saw some gaps in care with those at end-of-life, particularly those with chronic long-term illness, having important conversations. What the socialworkers are … Eric: Yeah. Beth: From a hospice standpoint, we obviously have the nursing support, social work chaplaincy.
What we did was ask clinicians earlier in the ICU stay for very sick patients to document prognosis, and for those who they thought would survive, to document six-month functional prognosis. We have our socialworkers and our psychologists and we know how to manage these symptoms. Kate: These are very sick patients.
In the US, geriatrics “grew up” as an academic profession with a heavy research base. Clinical growth of geriatrics programs has lagged academic research, despite the rapid aging of the population. . You’re not hiring a bunch of socialworkers or nurses or docs to do it. Summary Transcript Summary.
You’re a senior author on this article in JPSM, where you interviewed some geriatricians and other people caring for older adults, nurse practitioners, socialworkers, et cetera. Why don’t people want to document serious illness conversations? I think this is actually bread and butter geriatrics.
It used to also be a socialworker and myself who would actually go to clinic and spend some time up there. Said socialworker has left since then, so it’s now just me. And I will document everything they express to me in a obviously non encephalopathic state. Sarah 06:23 It’s just me.
Alex 00:15 We are delighted to welcome back Louise Aronson, who’s a geriatrician and author in the UCSF division of Geriatrics. There’s more to it that you should be documenting than DNR DNI, which seems like. Eric 00:13 And, Alex, who do we have with us today? Her most recent book is Elderhood. We need more.
So it can create a generativity or legacy document, that will be given to that individual so they can bequeath it to loved ones. So I think about socialworkers, pastoral care professionals, like spiritual care clinicians. We know that these conversations are recorded and transcribed and then edited.
What that looks like, to some degree, by having a conversation, by documenting wishes, we can potentially influence what that looks like and what that experience is for that person who is dying and then also for family members who are left behind. ” Or for a socialworker, “Where are we going to discharge them to?”
And the big findings were better quality of life scores, less depression, more documentation of preferences, less aggressive care at the end of life. So our outpatient palliative care team does not have psychiatrists or psychologists or frankly, socialworkers. And the kicker was they lived, what, two to three months longer?
They found a difference of 4% in documented goals of care discussions. At its heart, it’s always been a brief, hopefully one page document that can be delivered to clinicians and or patients to get them thinking about topics related to goals of care discussions. So that then closes by saying, “Please document a short note.
So one that the primary outcome was supposed to be documentation, which it improved documentation, it wasn’t powered to actually look at any utilization or hard outcomes. Painstaking work to go through each outcome and really characterize and document what works and what doesn’t. They were slightly mischaracterized.
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