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This idea that for critically ill patients in the ICU, geriatric conditions like disability, frailty, multimorbidity, and dementia should be viewed through a wider lens of what patients are like before and after the ICU event was transformative for our two guests today. GeriPal podcast with Linda Fried on frailty.
I’d be willing to take some time on a mechanical ventilation machine to live longer.” And so the idea that patients are walking around with these on their shoulder like, “Hey, I got the mechanical ventilation preference, just want to make sure.” ” Because I’m like, “Yeah, to what end?
And that helped them focus on that instead of, say, the blood pressure, the vasopressors or the ventilator settings that day. And then they had to be receiving 48 hours of continuous mechanical ventilation at a minimum and be an adult. Eric: And how did you do that? There were nine disease categories. Eric: Okay.
And now ICU care has flourished, and we can keep people alive in the sense that their heart is beating and we can sustain their ventilation and circulation. For example, I had another patient in the ICU who she was on a ventilator. They didn’t come up in geriatrics very much. And we see that too in geriatrics.
He’s been a hospice and nursing home director. I can on one hand count the patients I’ve cared for who didn’t want mechanical ventilation. A lot of them ended up having functional limitations that made that if they came from home, they ended up going to a nursing facility or hospice. Welcome, Abby.
In the US, geriatrics “grew up” as an academic profession with a heavy research base. Clinical growth of geriatrics programs has lagged academic research, despite the rapid aging of the population. . And instead of only being focused on the mechanical ventilation parameters that day, we force them to focus on prognosis.
And then, “I call hospice giving up.” And yet, when the reality of breathing difficulties, BIPAP, the talks of tracheostomy and ventilators set in, what had seemed so clear on that piece of paper, no longer seemed so clear. And so here’s a picture of four healthcare providers behind bars. Like, oh no, I said it.
I think one of the challenges, especially about liver, is it doesn’t have a dialysis, it doesn’t have an ecMo, it doesn’t have a ventilator. Eric 34:23 Yeah, I just learned challenges of when discharging people to hospice on. Butrans is a lot of hospices don’t even have it on their formula. But it is a.
Alex 00:54 And Jasmine Santoyo-Olsson, who’s a social behavioral scientist and a fellow in the T32 Research Fellowship at the UCSF Division of Geriatrics. Sydney 06:45 So I’ve been Developing and running palliative care and hospice programs at Hopkins for about 25 years. Danny 00:52 Thank you very much. Excited to be here.
We were already an admitting service for inpatient hospice patients, but that’s only a couple a week. Not one elderly person died on a ventilator. Jim Wright & Darrell Owens appeared first on A Geriatrics and Palliative Care Podcast for Every Healthcare Professional. Pretty tough. Just really powerful.
Alex: We are delighted to welcome Joe Rotella, who’s the Chief Medical Officer of the American Academy of Hospice and Palliative Medicine. We did the Geriatric 5M approach to telemedicine with Lauren Mo. So now that the emergency response has ended, what’s to be done? Alex: This is Alex Smith. Joe: Great to be here. Eric: Yeah.
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